KOPF KINO
The live broadcast series for experimental live listening and sound performance on Radio Helsinki.
Hello and welcome to KOPF KINO.
As always, I welcome Margarita Malova-Leschka on the microphone.
Today, Autonomous Dialogues.
The network art platform Moorpunkt.at has dealt with the topic of autonomous systems from 2020 to 2021.
Today, autonomous self-driving technologies are in every way, from AI to self-driving cars.
But what does autonomy actually mean on a personal, social and political level?
What technical autonomous systems surround us and how can we influence them creatively?
In the next 30 minutes you will hear a sound collage, which consists of sound works and conversation sections, which were collected within the framework of this project.
My thanks go to Pablo Marinha, Daniele Pozzi, Alisa Kopza and Alisa Aska, as well as to the team from Moorpunkt.at, who were involved in the project Autonomous Systems.
This piece, Autonomous Dialogues, was also broadcasted in 2023 as part of the Radio Arts Festival Radio Art Zone in Esch, Luxembourg.
As always, I wish you a lot of fun.
Thank you.
Yeah, but in this sense our body is also a system.
It is a system. It's not an autonomous being because we input things. We constantly drink water and then we feel better.
Or we eat too much and we feel sick. Or we go outside in the sun and input vitamin D. So this is not an autonomy.
It would have to be really our body regulates itself. And some things do regulate themselves, but not everything. If we stay up for 48 hours, we will feel like garbage.
I find we are also coming back to some very deep principles and experiences that come from the carbonetic system theory or carbonetic philosophy.
Where it is very evident that no system is completely closed in itself, but there is always points of connection.
And that's the alarm of the 29 minutes.
29 minutes.
Okay, so I hope we can find three minutes.
We had some really cool points.
I hope we can find a little bit of time.
So you looked at it and hoped it wouldn't move across the table.
Yeah, I tried all my possibilities with the iPhone X.
I don't want to erase that.
I'm speaking with you in this conversation and the full qualities of the base.
Any other questions?
Very good question.
How the setting has amplified your voice?
To me, I changed the goal and function.
How I perceive it, it became also more external objects.
And I can step back and show how to interact with them.
And also it brings out the physicality, I find.
We are in the middle of geography.
And when you're a trained player, it's a very functional thing.
There are certain functions that you use, but others are completely ignored.
And it really turned over the perspective of the Olympic.
It became more like a sculpture in a way.
And then I also found it very interesting because physically such an instrument is a very old and ancient thing.
And then we confronted it with all these very new technological elements.
And still it feels organic.
So it doesn't feel like you're putting something on it.
But it really integrates and resonates and starts to create interactions.
And this I found really beautiful.
But as far as I saw as a common point of every one process, there was some sort of feedback system, right?
Yes.
I mean, I was using convolution reverbs.
Yes.
I don't know exactly where you were using it specifically.
You mean me?
Yes, because I saw you doing this radio...
I used a radio wave receiver.
And basically I used the strings of the bass like an antenna.
So like an extended antenna.
And by also interacting with and touching the instrument, of course, you change the qualities of the antenna.
Because we all become part of that resonating field.
So did we create some way of shell?
Or were they double bass ghosts?
Well, I think that's like a question to all of us.
You know, this is taken from that famous film.
That the idea of the cyborg is like the human soul in what you call the technologically amplified body.
And you can't decide anymore what's natural or organic and what's technology.
And I think we created layers of shells.
Each of us added something.
And in the end it stayed open.
Because we're still continuing and we could have developed this further.
I think that's also a characteristic of a system that it can perpetuate and go on.
Also it doesn't have a conclusion.
Do you think we still reached some kind of temporary conclusions?
Or do you have your own facet from that project?
I think that most immediate complication is that the interaction of the systems work at least for me.
I really think there is a statistical value for it.
I enjoyed the result.
Of course we can go deeper and manage to understand it even more.
For me it was very interesting that the bass was kind of the center note.
And we were like... everyone was doing his stuff sometimes.
But still we were connecting to a material thing.
I found this quite interesting to work with.
We were kind of trying to make connections between each other all through the bass.
We should try to do it more often.
So it became somehow a hub.
Can you move the cup a little bit?
Change your expression.
It means how it lifts to...
Can you move the cup?
You know we have the coat for example.
God, that is a new year's gift.
Can you set the alarm for 29 minutes?
Yeah, I haven't ever been sleeping like that.
What I really like is that the hub is a great place to be.
That's why the interest is so special.
For me binary processes are extremely important.
Should be good, should be bad.
Three, two, one.
Let's do this one.
The unselfish conversation.
So before we decided to unselfish this conversation,
we said what are the three characteristics?
So I think one of us said...
Okay, we need to pick a topic for our first project.
And I think a good idea would be to pick a keyword.
And the...